Curse

Red-Tide · Oct 18, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

The server's are Lag-tastic this morning. I rubber banded for 2 mins while farming... So much fun.

Save the "it's your pc crap" Its not...

Clone · Oct 18, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

More disconnects this morning for me as well. Any my PC is perfectly fine running Team Fortress 2 and a myriad of other online applications, so quit trying to lay blame to the people who are getting screwed over!

rkubik · Oct 18, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

I have been playing for over 3 years now. I do not feel the lag is bad or has stopped me from playing. I rarely had lag and when I did it was some intense spikes but it didn't effect my game play very often since it happened mostly in outposts. I have not noticed that the lag is any worse but I do notice the spikes are a little more frequent. I play on American servers most of the time and have over 3000 played so I play a few times a week. I am still happy with GW and will continue to play.

Clarissa F · Oct 18, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Shenbear

Everyone needs to remember that often times you have to think of the connections -between- your computer and the GW servers. You are not running an express fiber optic or null cable between your computer and the server. Your signal is being sent to a central hub which is then rebroadcast to the right location, most often more than one time.

There are a couple of things you might want to consider before you all go QQ I HATE YOU ANET as you all seem so keen on doing.

1. Your ISP might be engaging in clandestine (or even blatant) "slowing down" of your network connection. We've seen the court cases where certain ISPs admitted and defended their position on "slowing down" certain people's connections because they claimed that the amount of bandwidth being taken up needed to be regulated. Online gaming takes up way more bandwidth than general surfing, so they may be targeting you. (Don't know if this affects people outside the US).

2. The modern internet hubs take light signals from the fiber optic cable sent from your computer, convert it into an electric signal, route it to the correct location, convert it back into a light signal, and sends it on its way. This takes a lot of time (on a computing time scale) and if there is a lot of traffic at the hub, there will be delays as the machines backlog trying to route the signals to the right places. Thus it is a (probably good) possibility that somewhere between your computer and Anet's servers, there is a backlog. Thus you get lagspikes as you wait for your signal to be sent to the servers or vice versa. This would be more pronounced if it is a hub that all information to/from GW servers must pass through that is lagging because when many people are logged on, the hub gets blocked up.

Let's think a little here people. It's not like Anet runs our instances on set of 286s. Modern game servers can easily handle and process large loads of incoming traffic. If it was a problem with Anet hardware, you'd be unable to load in to certain areas or -everyone- would lag out of an instance at the same time, not just a few people.

A bit of information that seems to confirm my statements: I often play GW with my wife and when we get a d/c, we always get it at the same time and tend to reconnect within seconds of one another. Thus, it is neither our individual systems that are the issue (we both play on new laptops) nor is it GW itself (because our entire CoF team doesn't lag out). It is most likely to be an issue somewhere between the two.

This was shown, as a previous poster noted, during the large lag issues over in Europe awhile ago.

Good explanation. I know I had a problem with NcSoft with RGTR being disconnected. A lot of providers use the same hubs, like Qwest, and a problem at that hub can cause the issue. They resolved the issue and the problem cleared up.

A lot of times they might be doing maintenance at the provider, especially during the week, which will cause the problem. If it's an issue with groups of people, I'd look there, not at Anet.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

No lag here either, must be your crappy ISP providers and/or crappy modems or burnt out com ports. Ever try thinking of changing your online com ports? Nooooooooooo nobody ever thinks of that. haha Also, try playing without proxy servers on YOUR end. Make sure 100% it's not YOUR problem and YOUR end before you go blaming Anet most of the time 99.9% it's your own fault.

Others gave useful information. You are just a troll. 'Nuff said.

Stolen Souls · Oct 18, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I would say that there is without a doubt, more connection issues now than there used to be. Some people say that "they don't see it around them"...to be blunt, I'd like to know where you're looking, lol. Almost every single person that I talk to regularly has mentioned something about lots of lag, more DCs, etc recently. I too see the guild chat suddenly flooded with "LAG!" "OMG LAG!" "Sorry guys, DCd..".

Where the lag is coming from is another issue, obviously. I would like to side with the ones that say everyones' PC is junk, or that the interwebz is broked, but one thing makes really wonder about that, and that is the OBVIOUSLY increased lag during the weekend events. For me this kinda points away from a "congested internet" and more towards "something on their side".

Those of you suffering with connection issues now, just WAIT until Halloween. Trust me, the best antivirus in the world isn't gonna help you with that.

Spinner Sun · Oct 18, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Forgot I even had an account on this forum!

For me, I get lag spikes in the same fashion as the majority of people who have posted in this thread.

The lag issue doesn't happen for everyone, but enough for someone to look into it. People saying "I've never had lag" is a moot point because of this.

I appreciate what people have been saying, that it could be a PC issue, but as has been stated, if multiple people are experiencing the problem at the same time, then how can it be a PC issue - unless we all have the same problems at the same time, with I guess the same kinda PC too.

I also appreciate the whole the internet is a pile of crap point. But since this problem has started within a few weeks for many users (and I refer to what people have said here for proof of that - some saying WHOLE alliances - and people on my friends list, and people complaining in ABs and such). Most of whom all live in different areas around the world, I find this hard to believe.
Especially when (myself included) the people who have taken the time to talk about their problems generally say the rest of the internet and the games they play are fine.

My main point: The problem could very well be the servers linking us to Anet's GW servers. But surely, even if it isn't directly Anet's problem, should they not atleast look into it, as at the end of the day people are getting problems playing their game. If it's a problem that continues then this will surely hurt their playerbase in some way, or atleast lose them some fans.

Trying to come up with an example: If you buy a pair of jeans from a reputable store, but somehow they fall apart because of shoddy stitching or whatever, when you hand them back does the store say "well we didn't make them, it's not our problem" or do they look into why these jeans fell apart?

I'm not demanding anything, and I appreciate all this time playing a game without subscription. But a simple statement even saying "there's nothing we can do about it" would be gratifying.

N1ghtstalker · Oct 18, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

vanquishing with these freezes are shitty srsly
heroes killed everything before i even get to cast a single spell

moriz · Oct 18, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Spinner Sun

Trying to come up with an example: If you buy a pair of jeans from a reputable store, but somehow they fall apart because of shoddy stitching or whatever, when you hand them back does the store say "well we didn't make them, it's not our problem" or do they look into why these jeans fell apart?

I'm not demanding anything, and I appreciate all this time playing a game without subscription. But a simple statement even saying "there's nothing we can do about it" would be gratifying.

unfortunately your analogy does not work. the jean store bought the jeans from the manufacturer, and then resells it to you for a profit. therefore, the jean store is a customer of the manufacturer and can go directly to them for issues.

however, anet (and every other company than runs a serverbased service) are NOT the customers of the internet uploader that feeds their servers. for instance, Cogentco is an upload provider that goes between your ISP and the internet. Anet is not a customer with Cogentco, Cogentco merely connects you to Anet's server. if there's a problem with how Cogentco is routing you, anet does not have the privilege of asking Cogentco to look into it for you, because anet is not directly paying money to Cogentco to connect to GW servers.

Makan · Oct 18, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Well vdz seems to be the only one on this thread who understands the real problem...
The most annoying thing is that many here are trying to be "helpful" with the ''crappy PC, get a new one" or malware notion.Seriously, if you cant tell a difference between FPS and latency don't post at all, because it's really hilarious and then frustrating when a grown man/woman tries to be a ''comp expert" throwing various useless suggestions having absolutely no knowledge or experience in this particular topic.

Spinner Sun · Oct 18, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by moriz

unfortunately your analogy does not work. the jean store bought the jeans from the manufacturer, and then resells it to you for a profit. therefore, the jean store is a customer of the manufacturer and can go directly to them for issues.

however, anet (and every other company than runs a serverbased service) are NOT the customers of the internet uploader that feeds their servers. for instance, Cogentco is an upload provider that goes between your ISP and the internet. Anet is not a customer with Cogentco, Cogentco merely connects you to Anet's server. if there's a problem with how Cogentco is routing you, anet does not have the privilege of asking Cogentco to look into it for you, because anet is not directly paying money to Cogentco to connect to GW servers.

I know it was a bit shoddy, but the point I was trying to put across was that just because it isn't necessarily their problem, if they want some people (not all of GW players) to play their games, they should represent their community and find out if there are any problems. You can't expect your players who are possibly completely clueless about the inner workings of the internet to find out. You can ask them to check if it isn't anything their end sure but I'd expect a games company who essentially relies on the internet for their income to have a greater chance at finding out/ greater understanding of any situation to do with internet issues. However if A-net doesn't have the right to ask about, then what a crap system that is.

Michael805 · Oct 18, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by byteme!

When my cpu melts I'll be buying a new one and most likely faster then the previous. A non issue. Not that it'll happen anyways. Yay me! Btw Dell sucks. And yes on my old system with my crappy IDE HD's, [email protected], and 850XT GW did lag at times. Lagging for 60 seconds was almost expected. My HD's were full. System virtually slowed to a halt. I have 2 gigs of Ram which I felt was nowhere near enough for the tasks that I run on a daily basis. Heat as another issue as well. Heck I could write a whole essay on this but I don't see the point. You know my system more then I do. o_O

I run a dual core 2750 @ 2.66, that never gets above 30c under load. I have 4 gigs of ram. I have a 7200rpm SATA HDD. I load into districts and maps faster that 90% of the people who are in my parties. I still err 7 at the same time 3 other people do while standing in ID1 HA, and these are not people that are my next door neighbors, they are people from around the country/world.

So, if you'd like to believe that multiple people on different setups from all over lag at the same time, go for it. If you'd like to believe that people who have different ISP's hundreds of miles apart are lagging because they are all connected, go for it.

But me, I'll blame laggy servers. Thanks.

And as to:

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Originally Posted by byteme!

I don't care what you wrote before my post and what I wrote after. My original post was not directed specifically to you. It was a general comment to "everyone" who may be having issues with lag. You had to get all personal with it. This post however is directed towards you. I even added the "@vdz" to make it clear.

You saying "Are you people sure it's the GW server and not your cereal box pc or bad ISP?" seemed to be on the same level as "stop whining, it's just you," when clearly it's not. If you would have said something to the effect of "Make sure you don't have something wrong with your computer, or that your ISP is not having troubles, because that may be some peoples' problems," that would have left the door open to the "maybe it's ANET" issue, which I can't help but believe it is.
If you want an example of why I think it probably is, think back to the June or July MAT when half the teams didn't load. That must've been all hardware and ISP issues, right?

Nessar · Oct 18, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

update: i can't even login now. got 007 after I click play/double click character.

Same here, just got 007'd and "connecting..."..Ok kicked from char screen and stuck at login screen now ><

I'm back in now after a few 58's

Banane-O-Man · Oct 18, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Wow for the first time I can't even log in my account...

Cherno · Oct 18, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I'm finally back in

Striken7 · Oct 18, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

I just got booted briefly, first an err-7 followed by several minutes of err-58's.

Back in now though.

garethporlest18 · Oct 18, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

I was stuck at the login screen just now too. But I got back in. This was after an err7 from the game.

Personally I have noticed more disconnects now from people and lag than ever before.

Rothan Celt · Oct 18, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Code 13 is showing up for me and my entire AB team...... wtf anet?

This is not the first time this is happened how the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO can we play the game!

The Legg · Oct 18, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

on and off lag all day, ranging from 1k pings to 15k pings. Got booted off twice during day and finally now got booted and constant error 13.

Guildies from all over world are having same problems, chatting on vent and can access all other parts of internet fine. So this must firmly be at anets end.

Always seems to be worse on the weekend/when more people are online.

Morgoth the dark · Oct 18, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Major FAIL, almost everyone forfeited tourney becuase server crashed.

damn anet

Šiljo · Oct 18, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

yep 13 while i was zoning omw to kill some valetiirs